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Wed, Jun 26, 2002 at 6:22:46 pm PDT

In Greensboro North Carolina, Muslim immigrants are trying to organize a boycott of “Jewish” products, lying about history, and praising jihad. The Arab News slaps one of their trademark anti-Semitic fantasy headlines on the story: “Tide turning against Zionist Jews.”

[Dr. Kaukab Siddique, Ameer of Jamaat al-Muslimeen, gave the Juma' khutba at the Islamic Center of the Triad on June 21, 2002. He spoke to a masjid packed with immigrants from Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Lebanon. The Khutba was covered by a reporter from Greensboro's biggest newspaper.]

The main points of the Khutba were as follows:

[The Qur'anic text for the Khutba: The Qur'an says about the Jews:

"And they took riba (interest on loans) though they were forbidden to do so, and they devoured the wealth of mankind wrongfully - We have prepared for those among them who are rejectors of truth, a grievous chastisement."

This is Greensboro, folks. Not Jeddah. Not Damascus.

North Carolina. The United States.

The Ameer then issues the standard proclamations of Muslim tolerance. They don’t force anyone to become Muslim, they respect all places of worship, Jews are welcome in Muslim countries.

Then out comes the hate.

2. All the wars are going on in MUSLIM lands. We are not trying to take anyone's land. We simply want to liberate lands which are ours: Kashmir, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Palestine are all our lands. We stand AGAINST OPPRESSION to liberate these lands and we have every right to do so.

3. In PALESTINE the source of the problem is that in 1948 the Jews TOOK OUR LAND by force. If we keep this fact in focus, it will become very clear that as long as Palestine is under occupation, the struggle to liberate it will continue.

Why is everyone always picking on Muslims? All they’re trying to do is liberate places. Places like Afghanistan, Kashmir, and “Palestine.”

But never mind this glorification of violence and distortion of history, because the Ameer makes it clear once again that Muslims are very tolerant.

4. We are not against the Jews as a collective. In fact throughout our history, we have given refuge and peace to the Jews. When the crusaders were killing the Jews, the Muslims provided security to the Jews. There has always been a small indigenous Jewish community in Palestine which has lived in peace with the Palestinians, Muslims and Christians.

“The Crusaders! They’re the bad ones who killed Jews! Why, they were so evil we’re still talking about them a thousand years later! We’re not against the Jews!”

4a. We are against the Jews because they have usurped Palestine and they take interest on loans and have built up the exploitative economic structure of economy (World Bank/IMF) built on interest-bearing loans.

“Really! We’re not against the evil, money-grubbing Jews and their international conspiracy! ...what? we are against the Jews? Oh. Never mind.”

Time for a heaping spoonful of insanely exaggerated paranoia:

i. Remember that you cannot appease the Jews who run this country by being quiet and humble. They will pursue and persecute you whether you are hiding in a corner of the mosque or staying away from all activity and hiding in your home.

“Infidel! Why do you keep saying we are against the Jews?”

Then our tolerant, loving Muslim preacher lavishes praise on the Holy Land Foundation. Never mind that it was shut down by the US government for funneling money to terrorist organizations.

ii. Look at HOLY LAND FOUNDATION, BENEVOLENCE and GLOBAL (Muslim charities helping widows and orphans). These were pro-Bush, non-political people never disturbing the Jews in any way but they have been targeted and victimized. So being non-political will not help. iii. Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) was the most peaceful of men. None of us can be as kind, generous and sensitive to human suffering as he was. Yet the oppressors not only forced him to leave Makka but would not leave him alone even in Madina.

This kind, generous, sensitive man is also on the State Department’s list of Identified Terrorists and Groups.

And then we get to the part that, if I were living in North Carolina, would worry me. Greatly.

6. Pakistani women used to scare their children of cats. TODAY PAKISTANI WOMEN ARE SENDING THEIR CHILDREN TO JIHAD IN KASHMIR. Same with Palestinian women. Our Palestinian sisters have put males to shame with their tremendous sacrifices against the Jews. In America, our struggle is that of IDENTITY, SELF-RESPECT, COMMUNICATION and ORGANIZATION. In these areas, our communities are very weak. Unless immigrant women stop spoiling their children and start participating in community activity, the enemy will undermine us by luring away our families while we are in the mosque by ourselves.

Wake up, America. This is a call to jihad. Yes, it’s couched in terms that give it some deniability if the infidels ask troublesome questions—but the Jewish conspiracy ranting leaves no doubt of the true intent. Those who glorify Palestinian suicide bombers and Pakistani jihadis are our enemies. If you live in or near Greensboro, I suggest you keep a very close eye on this place.

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1 Jim Gwyn  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 4:43:36pm

Hmmm. As it happens, I live in Winston-Salem, NC which is about 30 minutes west of Greensboro.

I'll have to see what the Greensboro News & Record has to say about this. I won't take their word w/o many grains of salt though. There's a reason that liberals, conservatives and Libertarians all refer to it as the "News & Fishwrap".

That said, you may rest assured that I'll be paying close attention to this hereafter. With your indulgence I may send some reports.

respectfully,

Jim Gwyn

2 J. Finney  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 4:47:32pm

First of all: so much hate! Again I say that you can't reason with these people. As extreme as it may be....articles like this make me scream the kill them before they kill us motto.

Second: I forget who contributed this little gem, but there was a post long ago about giving Israeli's the Baja Pennisula and letting the ME kill itself off.

And finally: I used to work for a finance company whose headquarters are in Greensboro. Thus, I know a lot of people from there. Though it will probably not be needed, I will contact them with this information. Trust me folks, from the people I know, these Arabs could not have picked a worse place for their call to Jihad than Greensboro, NC. I'm from Southern Illinois/Northern Kentucky, and I have never met such a group of "good ole boys".

3 Jonathan  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 4:58:54pm

Another gem of a find, Charles. Yet more proof that, without hyperbole, we are in the midst of nothing less than an epoch-defining ideological war of good and evil.

Separately, in light of stuff like this I can't understand how mainstream news organizations continue to pretend that Arabs mean something other than all of Israel when they complain about the "occupation."

And Finney, NC is home to a substantial, hard-core Islamist population. In fact, just last Friday two NC residents were convicted in federal court for funneling money to Hezbollah. See [Link: story.news.yahoo.com...]

4 Howard Owens  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:00:01pm

Charles, I haven't been able to drop by your site for a few days. I don't know if you've been reading Eric Raymond's posts on the history and theology of Islam. It's good. I've added my own thoughts on my site. This goes beyond Islamists. It's part and parcel of Islam.

5 John B.  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:12:50pm

Islamic Center of the Triad
7 Terrace Way
Greensboro, NC 27403
(336) 856-2870

[Link: www.mapquest.com...]

6 David Paglia  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:15:15pm

Heh...let's see...the buckle on the Bible Belt, a "God, Guns, and Guts" state, WITH, may I add, a CCW policy in effect, and THIS is where you want to start the American Jihad?
Real.
Bad.
Idea.

7 Jeremy  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:18:18pm

Well, I guess jihad must be real important to them!

8 JoeyJoeJoeShabbadooJr  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:20:53pm

With the CHANGINGING FONT SIZES and CONFUSING PHRASES like "IMMIGRANTS ARE VERY WEAK IN WOMEN'S STRUGGLE" is anyone ELSE reminded of bottles of Dr. BRONNER'S Soap?

9 TeddyFlipped  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:21:47pm

Out of curiosity I searched the archives of the
Greensboro News-Record: [Link: nl12.newsbank.com...]
Not much there but I did find:

April 9, 2002 Page A6
SWASTIKA HAS NO PLACE ON SIGNS OF PROTESTERS

With the rapidly escalating crisis in the Mideast no farther away than the television screen, emotions understandably run high among Palestinians living in the Triad. Last week, several exercised their constitutional right to assemble at the courthouse and peacefully protest ``Operation Defensive Shield,'' Israel's move to ferret out Palestinian terrorists responsible for seven suicide bombings that killed dozens of innocent civilians. Protest signs decried the military offensive

April 5, 2002 Page B1
PICKETS DECRY ISRAELI POLICY

MARGARET MOFFETT BANKS Staff Writer
With signs saying ``Stop killing children'' and ``Moses would not approve of the evil of Israel,'' 50 Palestinians and supporters picketed in downtown Greensboro on Thursday, condemning what they call Israeli terrorism against Palestinians.

The protesters, along with several children, gathered in front of the Guilford County Courthouse on West Market and Eugene streets. They stood quietly, waving hand-drawn signs, including one that equated the Star of David, a Jewish

10 J. Finney  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:22:30pm

See Jonathan, while I don't disagree with your comments on the "hard-core Islamist" population. The post David wrote above pretty much says what I was trying to above. (No offense David if you are like my friends....I am in agreement.)

11 Jonathan  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:28:04pm

I hear you. But what the hell's a CCW policy?

12 John B.  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:31:50pm

Badi Ali is head of the Islamic Center of the Triad.

From: [Link: www.adl.org...]

Justice and Peace for Afghanistan. Added 11/08/01. A new organization, based in Maryland and headed by Palestinian-born North Carolinian Badi Ali, has defined itself in opposition to Muslim-American organizations that have supported U.S. efforts against terrorism. According to New Trend Magazine, Badi Ali has urged the officers of organizations such as CAIR and AMC to "resign if they want to be considered Muslims." Ali criticizes them for supporting an attack on an Islamic country.

Sounds like a real softie.

13 Robert Crawford  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:35:29pm

Important -- while trying to find out if this group is tied to al'Fuqra, I stumbled across this story from last fall:

[Link: www.thetimesnews.com...]

Get a load of the "Woe is me! I was a suspect because I'm Muslim!" line he peddled to a local paper. I don't know if this is the paper mentioned in the ArabNews story, because I can't find a report on the June 21st hate-fest, but I've written the paper's editor with a heads-up to the ArabNews story.

I don't normally recommend letter-writing campaigns, but in this case -- DO IT! If a lot of people point out the disconnect between Badi Ali's words to Americans and his words to the ArabNews, the paper might look a little deeper.

We don't want to stir up anti-Muslim hate, but we want to make sure people are aware of this kind of rhetoric. If this were said at a Christian church, it would be front page news all over the country!

14 John B.  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:39:18pm

Adi Bali says "Free Omar 'Abdel Rahman!" here: [Link: leb.net...]

The spiritual leader of Egypt's primary Islamic movement, al-Gamaa'
al-Islamiyya, is languishing in an isolation cell located in the USA's gulag
in faraway Rochester, Minnesota. He is being held in solitary confinement and
an attempt is being made to cut him off from relatives, attorneys, friends,
the Muslim community, the Egyptian community and humanity at large.

The basic originators of the new Committee are as follows:

1. Abdeen Jabara (legal advisor) (New York)
2. Ahmed 'Abdel Sattar (paralegal to Shaikh Omar) (Staten Island)
3. Nabil el-Masri (close legal associate of the Shaikh) (New Jersey)
4. Sis. Uzema Khan, Islamic activist (Glen Ellyn, Illinois)
5. Mustafa Ali, Islamic activist (San Antonio, Texas)
6. J. Hudlin, Jr., Africanist activist (Omaha, Nebraska)
7. Salahuddin Abdullah, Ameer Jamaat al-Muslimeen USA (Denver, Colorado)
8. Abu Talib, West Indian activist and media person (Brooklyn)
9. Shaikh Abdus Sattar al-Dahir, human rights activist for Iraqi children
(Louisiana)
10. Imam Badi Ali, media person, Palestinian rights activist (North Carolina)
11. Imani Mahdi, Black political prisoners' activist (Washington, DC)
12. Athar Masood, youth organizer (Chicago)

Just because he tried to blow up the World Trade Center, killing 6 people in the process, that's all.

Anyone want to Google those fine fellows' names? I gotta go to bed.

JB

15 Michael  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:40:24pm

"a 'God, Guns, and Guts' state, WITH, may I add, a CCW policy in effect, and THIS is where you want to start the American Jihad?"

Hooray, 2nd Amendment, the original "Homeland Defense."

I live in NC. it's a nice place. Home to the largest military installation in the world, Fort Bragg, Pope Air Force Base and camp Lejune. Other than the humanities departments at the local Universities, people here tend to own guns and think that's a fine, fun, and even patriotic thing to do. The government here will train you to use firearms, and then let you conceal-carry them.

To paraphrase BW in "Die Hard:" Yeehaw, motherfucker!

16 Michael  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:43:45pm

Jonathan, the "CCW Policy" is that North Carolina issues concealed-carry weapons permits. This means, ordinary citizens can carry firearms on their persons -- in holsters, pockets, purses, glove boxes, backpacks, etc.

Note to Islamists: we're packing.

17 AST  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:44:13pm

With all their whining and self-pity, these people could make really good liberal elites here. Unfortunatley, THEY'RE FASCISTS. They make Hitler look sane.

I read Bernard Lewis' book, The Middle East, a few months ago. So far, his account rings a lot truer that all the crap about our friends the Saudis, and the moderate Arabs, and Islam, the religion of peace. The only way it is peaceful is if you submit to its law. It's been a puzzle for them for the past couple of centuries: The Quran says we're supposed to conquer the world and subject it to Islam. God wants this. So why are we so far behind, so lousy at fighting and winning wars?

Some come to the conclusion that their religion is b.s. and head for the West. Some just shrug, and go back to keeping their heads down and trying to survive. But the worst ones have decided that they just haven't been fundamentalist enough and they need to get back to that old time religion complete with suicdal wars, and that will force God to intervene on their side.

The only thing that will cure this last group is to be crushed militarily. They don't respect tolerance and negotiation and coalitions. They only understand and respect force and determination. All this Peace Process baloney just encourages the idea that the U.S. can be had, that bin Laden has our number. It has been far too long since we spoke with laser guided bombs instead of Colin Powell. It's hign time we started on Desert Storm II.

18 John B.  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:47:09pm

Ok, one more. I just couldn't resist.

Badi Ali (336) 913-0877 (beeper)

I'm a baaad boy. No 72 black-eye houris for me. { ;^)

19 AG in Houston  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:49:15pm

Disgusting Islamic Fascists.

20 eriksen  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 5:59:51pm

Writing from Hillsborough, NC, about 35 miles east of Greensboro. Was amused by the comment, "Pakistani women used to scare their children of cats," which I assume means "made their children scared of cats." Yesterday, a young Pakistani girl living across the street from us came to the door to ask our child out to play. Our cat darted out on to porch, and the girl went into a frenzy--not just scared, but what looked like blood-curdling fear. I suppose I prefer that to jihad, though.

21 Robert Crawford  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:01:13pm

This a$$hole wants to free the blind sheik? He wants to free the guy who gave the "all-clear" for the first WTC bombing? He wants to free the guy who gave the religious approval for the "Day of Terror" bomb plot?

Grrrrr.....

22 Jennie Taliaferro  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:14:34pm

EEEEEEEEEEEK--I live in Dallas, home of the Holy Land Foundation AND 3 mosques and according to terrorism expert Steve Emerson who wrote the book "American Jihad" which documents these things, both Al Queda and Hamas (and perhaps Hezbollah,too) are all here!
Can't AG John Ashcroft find a way--and I mean like September 12,2001!!!--to find a way to bust these Mosques and their mullahs who preach this awful Wahhabi jihad mayhem?!>
While we're on the subject of domestic terrorism, a full tanker truck crashed and exploded next to a block of apartments in Arlington, TX today, which is where most of these mosques and their attendants are located.
Coincidence or what?

23 TeddyFlipped  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:16:41pm
Our cat darted out on to porch, and the girl went into a frenzy--not just scared, but what looked like blood-curdling fear. I suppose I prefer that to jihad, though
Islamic fundamentalists compare Jews to dogs and pigs. Cats must symbolize some awful threat to them. I can only guess...
24 David Paglia  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:23:39pm

Thanks, Michael- you backstopped me before I could. J.Finney... why would I be insulted by you saying I'm like your friends? After all, they're right...
Folks, one other minor detail about wild, wonderful North Carolina: it's one of the dozen or so states that permit possession of Class-III weapons and Destructive Devices: for the uninitiated, that means full-autos, silencers, chopped shotguns, pen guns, grenade launchers (...these are a few of my favorite things...). I spent a very entertaining year hanging around a store that specialized in submachine guns and such. The owner used to carry his belt-fed Browning in the trunk of his car...and this was PRE-9/11.
Note to Islamists: This ain't gonna be like shooting unarmed schoolkids and grandmothers.
Not even a little bit.

25 E. Nough  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:35:39pm
Islamic fundamentalists compare Jews to dogs and pigs. Cats must symbolize some awful threat to them. I can only guess...

Maybe they confuse it with Katz.

26 TeddyFlipped  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:41:32pm

Katz...of course!

27 gareth  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 6:49:38pm

hmmm

dont you think that hanging out in a state that lets your friendly local militant islamic also buy these rather scary toys shouldnt give you just a little pause for thought....?

28 MichaelC  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 7:17:58pm

"Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) was the most peaceful of men. None of us can be as kind, generous and sensitive to human suffering as he was. Yet the oppressors not only forced him to leave Makka but would not leave him alone even in Madina.

This kind, generous, sensitive man is also on the State Department’s list of Identified Terrorists and Groups."


Unless the Prophet Mohammed is still alive and kicking at almost 1500 years old, I SERIOUSLY doubt that he's on anybody's list....

29 Eric Pobirs  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 7:18:47pm

Must be a Pakistan thing rather than a Muslim thing. Mohammed was a big cat lover.

I wonder if he went in for that hairless breed Dr. Evil favors. I mean, based on the age of his last wife the guy apparently preferred a hairless...

30 Charles  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 7:44:06pm

Sorry, I thought he was talking about either:

Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad

or

Mustafa Mohamed Fadhil

So many Mohammeds, so little time.

31 Ben Noah  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 7:45:06pm

dont you think that hanging out in a state that lets your friendly local militant islamic also buy these rather scary toys shouldnt give you just a little pause for thought....?

I'm not from NC, but I'm guessing the inhabitants own and run the gun shops, not the Islamofascists. Me thinks they will be a tad suspicious should Muhammad Mustafa try to place an order for anything bigger than a spitball shooter.

32 M. Simon  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 7:45:42pm

Let me see.

Muslim pulls gun in NC and starts shooting at the locals.

Six locals pull guns and start shooting at Muslim.

What are the odds......

33 M. Simon  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 9:02:56pm

Muslim pulls gun on the North Side of Chicago and starts shooting at the locals.

Six local liberals walking by are unarmed and try to duck.

What are the odds......

Of course on the South Side it might be a little different.

----- With apologies to J. Lichty

34 Stefan Sharkansky  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 9:36:24pm

A few more good reasons for us to be more careful about who we let into this country

I like the part where they condemn the Jews for "taking interest on loans". Islamic law forbids charging interest. You can imagine what such a policy will do for economic growth.

35 MichaelC  Wed, Jun 26, 2002 9:55:58pm

#30 - I understand, although I personally can't think of any other historically notable 'Mohammeds' who had been persecuted in Mecca and Medina (as well as being regarded among Muslims as the pinnacle of kindness and generosity)

36 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 3:12:35am

You're assuming they'll use guns... or that they won't realize that everyone else in the area is armed.

Nearly the entire population of Israel is armed, most have military training, and yet the Palestinians still seem able to commit acts of terror there, despite the best efforts of the IDF.

What are the odds a bunch of heavily armed but unorganized North Carolina rednecks will be able to stop a serious terrorist action?

If they're anything like the people of Alabama, I doubt they'd really even notice. "Damn, the Dairy Queen blew up agin... musta been one of them little black boys playing with fireworks."

37 E. Nough  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 3:37:52am

Stefan Sharkansky writes:

I like the part where they condemn the Jews for "taking interest on loans". Islamic law forbids charging interest. You can imagine what such a policy will do for economic growth.

Fortune has a very interesting article on this point. In a lot of cases, "Islamic" banks charge interet simply by calling it something else -- e.g. "fee" or "markup."

There's some interesting bits in there that I might as well exceprt:

Whereas conventional economics was built on Adam Smith's notion of harnessing human nature, Islamic economics proposed to reform human nature.

Whenever someone talks of "reforming human nature," be afraid. Be very afraid. Such attempts are always futile, but inevitably result in tyranny and mass bloodshed. This is as true of Islamism as it is of communism.

("A financial system without interest is more interested," says Shaykh Yusuf DeLorenzo, a Virginia-based Islamic scholar.) If adopted fully, say the scholars, interest-free finance would also prevent future Enrons and Argentinas. "One reason for prohibiting interest is to keep everybody spending according to his limit," says Yaquby. "This consumerism society was only created because of the banking system, because it encourages 'buy today, pay tomorrow.' You also have poor economies in debt to rich ones. This is because of borrowing and lending with interest. So this is creating big economic chaos in the world."

Note the snake-oil presentation of "Islamic value" as the cure for whatever ails the West at the moment. And is it just me, or do these guys sound an awful lot like Adbusters-reading idiotarians? I mean, they even worked third-world debt into their drivel. (Not that their own banking style would have made the Third World any less indebted or impoverished -- more so, in fact.)

And my favorite, which doesn't show up in the article, but is excerpted in large type in the paper edition:

"There is no sin in the Koran -- not even drinking, not even fornicating, not even homosexuality -- which could be as abhorrent and serious as dealing in riba [interest]."

-- Shaykh Nizam Yaquby

"Banking on Islam," Fortune, June 10, 2002, p. 155

Shaykh Yaquby can think of no worse sins than drinking and consentual sex, eh? Anyone else notice that his list of horrible sins doesn't include, say, rape or murder?

38 Simon Spero  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 3:38:52am

This guy would be a great guest lecturer to help incoming UNC-Chapel Hill Freshmen through their mandatory discussion of the Summer Reading Program assigned book "Approaching the Qu'ran" ([Link: www.unc.edu...] ).

Agnostic Jihad has threatened to strap copies of the Bill Of Rights to their wastes and stage a suicide mocking.

39 E. Nough  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 3:41:19am

Whoops, the article is actually called "Banking on Allah." Also, I misspelled consensual. :)

40 CmdrNacho  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 4:14:14am

If they start homicide bombing in NC, I wonder if Powell will start pushing for them to receive statehood...

41 Mike  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 4:18:38am

"What are the odds a bunch of heavily armed but unorganized North Carolina rednecks will be able to stop a serious terrorist action?

If they're anything like the people of Alabama, I doubt they'd really even notice. 'Damn, the Dairy Queen blew up agin... musta been one of them little black boys playing with fireworks.'"

Oh, great. More cliched stereotyping. Well, Tatterdemalion, I suppose maybe we down here in NC could stop screwing our cousins and put down the 'shine jug long enough to make some sort of effort to thwart a terrorist attempt. That is, if we weren't all so goshdarn lazy, sleeping under the magnolia trees and such, while our darkies wave palmetto fronds over us. Plus, we're so damned stupid chances are we'd only be able to manage shooting ourselves or each other anyway, and that's if we could manage to figure out the difference between a trigger and a trigger lock.

Have you ever even been to North Carolina? Even once? Sorry if I seem a little hypersensitive, but the truth is I am SOOO sick of this kind of thing.

42 Erik  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 5:35:05am

"Boycott of Israeli/Jewish products"...

This movement is a phenomena all over the western world - and of course with increasing intensity in my own continent (read my two little "reports" from Sweden, 6/23/2002: palestinian child abuse, #69, #73). But in the hell of Scandinavia the main-part of the "public opinion" has already join the forces. Not since the thirties and the days of the German Nuremberg-laws, our community have seen this kind of "demands" (Sweden's largest newspaper, "Dagens Nyheter, 3/20, 4/4, 4/11, 5/3). Plain anti-Semitic sentiment's are the order of the day - not only among the Muslims and the "pro-Palestinians", but among the "elite" of the society (oh, they just love the Palestinian "freedom-fight" - although they never invited their shouting Muslim friends to their exclusive garden-parties). People of my kind feel like we're living in a madhouse - and that's exactly what we do...

Let all American teenagers read Bernard Lewis "What went wrong" (or abstracts). In Europe there's no point...

43 frank  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 5:37:03am

Fact is, most good ole' boys couldn't tell a mooslem from a jew.

44 jbstrick  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 5:42:58am

I was shocked to hear that Oklahoma City (I live near) is a major hotbed of HAMAS and Islamic Jihad activity.

45 BJW  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 6:19:14am

Nacho, #40, that was pretty good....

46 ruprecht  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 6:43:39am

What does happen if a turbin wearing fella goes into Joe-Bob's gunshop to buy a hard core weapon.

Does the right to refuse service to anyone really count or is that a lawsuit waiting to happen?

47 Amy  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 8:25:36am

Given the skyrocketing Muslim birthrate, in something like 25 years the Muslim population in the U.S. will have far outstripped the Jewish population, with everything that implies for political influence. We should be very, very afraid, folks, of this timebomb.

The effects of unrestrained Muslim immigration are very evident in Europe, where a declining birthrate has made countries like France and Germany desperate for laborers.

The situation is analogous to that of ancient Rome. Towards the end, coveted Roman citizenship was being handed out to non-Romans as a reward for political or military support. It was an indication of the decadence of the regime.

We should immediately cease issuing visas to anyone coming from a Muslim country. No one besides American citizens has a right to live here, work here or study here, and there is nothing wrong with tailoring immigration policy to reflect national policy.

48 tom  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 9:10:53am

i've sent this article to a few of my friends down in the greensboro/high point area - both of them were surprised that this was "going on"... can't wait to hear their responses on anything they hear around town...

49 frank  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 9:49:30am

Tom, please post them. I am very worried that this may be the first time that we have seen the begining of the next phase. I suspect that this type of thing is happening in other places and is not getting out to the public. "Thanks" to the Arab News.

50 akaky akakyevich  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 10:04:09am

someone out to tell the ameer where the door is, the one he should keep from hitting him in the ass on the way back to wherever it is he came from in the first place

51 J Lichty  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 10:19:05am

Tom:

unforuntately this stuff has been going on, as well documented by Terrorism expert and Arab marked man, Steve Emerson. Things like this are going on at Mosque's all over the country and at so-called Muslim charities.

Our esteemed FBI director is going to speak at one such organization the American Muslim Council, who's leadership have been on record supporting terrorists and cavorting with terrorists, leading me to the conclusion that it is hard to wallow with the pigs and not get dirty.

Until Americans realize that this is not jus going on in Cairo, Tehran and other parts of the far-flung Muslim empire, we are sitting ducks.

Until decent Muslims stop accepting these viewpoints amonst them and stop permitting their children to be poisoned, I fear that we are in for some major subversive activities eminating from the neighborhood mosque.

Just as most Jews have marginalized the Kahane's amongst us, so to must the "mainstream" Muslims. They need to stop their apologies for murder, their blind fealty for for their "oppressed" brothers, and make strong efforts to combat the anti-semitism and death worship permeating Islam. They need to start taking their religion back from the Islamists who have now made their ideals the "mainstream" of Islam.

I know many Muslims in this country who are decent people. I even had one stand up for me in my wedding. Although a devout Muslim, he does not hate Jews, and he is loyal to America. It is time that he and others like him start marginilizing these Wahibbist and anti-semitic leaders who have become the real "mainstream" of Islam. If that does not happen, Americans will be safe from no Mosque or muslim organization in this country.

52 Juan Paxety  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 11:16:24am

I worked for WGHP-TV, the Fox owned station in the Greensboro market in the mid-90s. Police were always blaming violent street crime on Pakistani gangs. That's the middle of North Carolina's furniture industry and lots of Paks and Vietnamese were brought in to work in the factories. Greensboro is a city of about 200,000 people and I was always surprised by the amount of violent crime in the city. My impression (I did no scientific analysis) was that it was worse than several much larger cities I had worked in.

53 Indigo  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 11:36:48am

Mike #41 -- Our rednecks would be our second line of defense. The United States Marine Corps and US Airforce based here would probably not need them, but would be happy to know their backs were covered.
Yeah, another North Carolinian.

54 M. Simon  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 11:39:16am

It is the "Social Security" system in those countries that has made them desperate for labor.

Without new blood those ponzi schemes go broke.

It can't happen here.

55 G. Alexander  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 12:43:48pm

Religious freedom cannot extend to murder or the incitement to murder. If Charles Manson had called his "beliefs" (i.e. his twisted value-system that led him to commit his horrific crimes) a "religion," entitled to constitutional protection - then the government's shutting down his "church" would have been proper, and it would be no violation of the Mansonites' "right to practice their own religion freely." Similarly, if a group of "Satanists" (hypothetically) preached for drinking the blood of innocent victims, then their "church" would fall afoul of the laws against murder and/or the laws against incitement to murder - and the government would have the right and duty to shut it down. But we hear cries that Muslims' "civil rights" or "religious rights" are being violated by the Patriot Act - that they are being singled out for their *religion*. If their religion calls for criminal action, the murder of innocents, the mutilation of (female or male) children, the practice of slavery, or of any of the wonderful cultural practices of real-life Islam - then I say: it's time to pull a Reno on the mosques.

56 MichaelC  Thu, Jun 27, 2002 12:45:22pm

#51 - You took every point I was going to make right out of my mouth.

Well said


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